Faith in Who?

To give up faith in Christ is to give up faith in humanity…

– Philip Schaff

Tiny problem; if you lose faith in Christ, and this is a faith that believes Jesus and my dad are the same, someone who could solve all the worlds problems with a flick of his wrist, you only have the human race to have faith in. Despite the negative things humans do, this is a good thing. It’s better to have faith in a total stranger you see on the street than a god you’ve never met. This because humans can do things gods can’t, as much as some of don’t like to admit that. So many miracles have been repeated by man, especially in modern medicine. There are operations that can give some blind people their sight, some deaf their hearing, and the (very) recently dead their life (I’m referring to the dead of a few minutes). Man can replace blood entirely, including the marrow. Not too many gods can say that.

But I sort of digressed from my point a little, which was that with faith in God, assuming he meant turning to atheism (and despite my actually knowing, that’s all you’ll get to do), all you faith goes into humanity. This is similar to the arguments men and women of faith make that atheists aren’t accountable to anyone. Not true, they are more responsible to the human race, at least that’s what they feel. Their responsibility isn’t distracted by a god who gives them rules they may not understand. They have to come up with their own rules and understand why they are necessary. Take adultery. Now, I’m not saying that those in faith don’t understand why adultery is a sin, but when asked, they can point to the Ten Commandments, saying God said so. How many times have you heard someone give that as an excuse? The only option an atheist has is to say, “I shouldn’t cheat on my spouse because it would hurt my spouse.” There’s no higher being forcing them to do these with rules to live by.

So to summarize, losing your faith an sense of responsibility and accountability to my father and step-brother, your faith and sense of responsibility and accountability to the human race grows.

See you next week.


~ by lukebringer on October 22, 2012.

4 Responses to “Faith in Who?”

  1. What if faith in our creator helps bring us closer to knowing ourselves? You know even a slightly intelligent and self assured human being wouldn’t create beings to be subservient to him / her. What would be the point? How could the creator of human beings be less a being than a slightly intelligent and self assured human that he created? Doesn’t make too much sense. So the best of humanity would point us closer to knowing the type of attributes and qualities our creator would possess. And the best type of human, giving him or herself the chance, is self accountable and responsible, not sheepish. Why would our creator, or JC knowing our creator want for us to be sheepish? Doesn’t make sense either. You’d think that our creator would rather us be the best we can be, as would any slightly loving father or mother would to their child. I don’t see how faith can be absent of logic, because then it becomes blind and helps us become sheepish. Who created our ability to have logic?

    • I never said you shouldn’t have faith. I’m saying that faith isn’t necessary for everyone. Admittedly, I’m not a huge proponent of faith, and in jest I say it’s useless, but I don’t actually believe that. However, let’s breakdown your comment here. Your faiths, beliefs, the things you know, all these things will help you come closer to knowing yourself; it doesn’t have to be in your creator. The guy at the KFC counter that prepared your food didn’t come up with the original recipe. Don’t forget, just because Dad made humanity, I came up with the recipe; I am Colonel Sanders here. Humans use mindless robots that they created all the time. Sure there’s plenty of work being done on creating true AI, but for now, machines are 100% subservient to man. The point is efficiency in getting a job done. There are sci-fi stories all over the place about robots and AI that are more advanced than their creators, and it’s not a bad prediction (them automatically being evil is). There are so many types of human, how can anyone say what is the best? I say highly intelligent people are the best, others would say highly creative people are the best, and still others would say people who can understand others are the best, and yet all these traits can be used for evil. Who said anything about being sheepish? There are plenty of loving parents that want their children to be completely obedient to them in order to keep them safe. Obviously not everyone agrees, but why did my father want people to follow him? To keep them safe. Why do you think they are called “Commandments” and not suggestions? You don’t command people you want to live completely free. Faith is absent of logic the same way an Playstation Vita is absent from the TV. They are separate, but not opposites. Faith doesn’t need logic, and logic doesn’t use faith. Faith comes from the heart, logic the brain. And faith is indeed supposed to be blind. Although I bet we are using different definitions for faith. My definition is mentioned in previous posts. You may not consider yourself a sheep, but there are plenty of my father’s followers who are. This, unfortunately is their nature, not necessarily because of their faith. Those that have to fight for the gods they have faith in are counterculture, which is generally considered not to be sheepish. Again that’s their nature. Faith can only help shape who you are, not make you who you are. And for the last question, two answers. I did, or more scientifically, it’s a natural brain functions that animals developed through evolution. Either way, it wasn’t Dad. The point of the post was simply to state that you don’t need faith in a religion to have faith in humanity. There is a whole philosophy based on that idea called Humanism. You don’t need a god to tell you that helping people is important. However, there are people out there who rather pray than do actual work to help their fellow man. I was simply disagreeing with the quote. Well, not simply, but whatever.

      • Yeah maybe its a different definition of faith. What I meant has got a lot to do with logic, like faith in something that hasn’t yet happened (or you’ve never seen happen), like any “crazy” new idea needs some semblance of faith before you pursue it, otherwise no one would pursue anything new. So logic and a bit of trial and error just helps us know where our faith is better placed. I guess the most flawed thing we do trying to understand God is we do it via a warped lens that’s got more to do with our relationship with our parents or society than anything else. Like imagine if you could create a car with the click of your fingers, you wouldn’t have to make all that factory machinery and subservient robots to help you do it. So we create a version of God based on our own incapacities, which is probably the best definition of an anthropomorphic God. The commandments, same thing, someone along the way just said it was God that handed them down, because less people would follow if Moses just said he made it up. Like how could you reduce an infinite being’s views on us into 10 points or even a few hundred pages anyway? Probably its more about our own limits in the way we choose to do things. But that’s the flip side free will I suppose, like we can choose to use a small percentage of our brain power or a lot more, we mostly choose less and some blame God for it. So the Bible is for me at least as useful in knowing God’s view on me and humanity, as Alice in Wonderland is, especially the Old Testament. I like Alice in Wonderland too.

        Anyway, I think the last thing I missed was about being the best we can be. I don’t mean some relative definition of that but the best of what each of us is capable of doing to our full extent. It makes sense that God would design a system where we can explore the full extent of our free will without trampling on others, and for sure I don’t see why God would require us to believe or connect with God to do that, that would be another choice we could make (might help though to get an objective view). All in all I don’t see any conflict with the goals of humanism and pursuing a relationship with God, I’d say it only makes achieving those aims faster but I’m willing to be proved wrong.

  2. “thanks” that just creeped in cos I wrote that on my email program. But it’s not unwarranted anyway, as I like these conversations šŸ™‚

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